Bill objectifies motion and we reread part of the preface in
sympathy with his eventual conversion from indeterminist to determinist.
I am ever so grateful to Bill
Westmiller, whose comments are marked "BW: ". The quotes marked “TSW: “are from "The Scientific Worldview" and my
comments are marked "[GB: ".
The Myth of Exceptionalism (Part 4 of
4)
TSW: "For every departure there must be an
arrival. All things, except the infinite universe itself, must have an
end."
BW:
I've discussed this previously: I don't think the terms "departure"
and "arrival" are properly defined. Even the word "things"
is poorly defined. Do all configurations of matter change? Of course.
Nevertheless, there are natural processes ("Westmiller Things") which
are persistent, even eternal, that are distinct characteristics of matter in
motion. Understanding what they are is a challenge, but I doubt that gravitation
will cease to exist, no matter what the configuration of matter. Those kinds of
"things" need not end.
[GB: I can’t figure out what you are trying to add to the discussion. I
have clearly defined things as microcosms, xyz portions of the universe. “Natural
processes” are motions, not things—a mistake common to many indeterminists
since Einstein got them even more confused than they normally would be. I never
could see your problem with departures and arrivals. Maybe you should get out
of the office a bit more. Perhaps your confusion is a way of opposing the Sixth
Assumption of Science, complementarity (All things are
subject to divergence and convergence from other things).
I can see why your understanding is a
challenge. Indeterminists must oppose the Fourth Assumption of Science, inseparability (Just as there is no motion without matter, so there is no matter
without motion). Through the objectification common to Einstein (Borchardt, Glenn, 2011, Einstein's most
important philosophical error, in Proceedings of the Natural Philosophy
Alliance, 18th Conference of the NPA, 6-9 July, 2011 ( http://www.worldsci.org/pdf/abstracts/abstracts_5991.pdf
), College Park, MD, Natural Philosophy Alliance, Mt. Airy, MD, p. 64-68.), indeterminists typically form "Westmiller
Things" out of pure motion. Your idea of gravitation is an example.
Gravitation, like “running,” “walking,” or any other kind of motion, does not
exist. It occurs. It is what matter does. Yours is an easy mistake to make,
particularly for aether deniers. Without aether, Einstein left us with
“immaterial fields” as the cause of gravitation and magnetism. This has gotten
so bad that I often hear from those who theorize that matter can be made out of
pure motion. I guess that I should not be so shocked. After all, we live in a
universe that supposedly exploded out of nothing.]
TSW: "Eventually, a few of these [external
things] will seal our fate."
BW:
Undoubtedly, they will affect our fate. In a few billion years, when the Earth
will be uninhabitable. That doesn't necessarily mean that humans *must* cease
to exist. We can create our own environment, or find a new one.
[GB: That is a nice refrain perhaps, but it smacks of salvation and
living after dying all too common in indeterministic literature.]
TSW: "... the motions of the microcosm are
determined by the main features of the microcosm and the macrocosm."
BW:
This essentially concedes my point: it is the *main features* that are
consequential to humans, not an infinite set of features in the universe
(whether finite or infinite). Nor are the main features *equally* attributable
to microcosm/internal and macrocosm/external causes. The causes for any effect
are *mainly* - almost exclusively - proximate. Depending on where you draw
(real or arbitrary) boundaries, they may be *mainly* external or *mainly*
internal.
[GB: Agreed. That is how we do science. In practice, we can only
determine a few of the causes for a particular motion. The rest we lump into
the plus or minus category. Often this makes no practical difference (unless
you are trying to predict the weather, perhaps).]
TSW: "It treats humans, not as the microcosms
they are, but as inert bodies that are bounced around helplessly, undergoing no
internal change whatsoever."
BW:
But, whether internal or external, it seems to me that Univironmental
Determinism is fundamentally fatalistic. Absent some form of free will -
abstract causes - we are just "bouncing around", with no rational
purpose or motives.
[GB: You are getting there, but your imagined free will won’t prevent
you from bouncing around. The fact is that the universe has no purpose—that is
a religious idea for which there is no evidence. Any of the rational purposes
that microcosms exhibit are the result of univironmental interactions with the
macrocosm. Your imagined free will cannot produce motives, since free will does
not exist or occur. Motive is derived from the word “motion.” Causes were
defined by Newton’s Second Law of Motion: a colliding microcosm changes the
velocity and direction of another microcosm. That is how we get “motivation”
and why we call them social “movements”.
With regard to the concatenation of
cause and effect that determines our activities, remember this wisdom from
Shakespeare: “All the
world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players.” To this I would add
that we are not privy to the full script, so there is always excitement in
following the chain of events. None of the acts are “predetermined,” even
though all are determined. We do not have free will, but we can
have the “feeling of freedom.” The upshot is that we should
dance like no one is looking, continue along life’s journey, and partake in the
great evolution of humanity wherever it may lead. You may swear to opt out of
the whole thing, as some try to do by “rising above” the commands and urges of
their earthly existence through abstinence of one sort or another. But if you
“choose” to remain in the flow, you will have to drink, eat, and perform all
that required for your survival as a biological microcosm within the social
microcosm.
Bill, I sympathize with what you are
going through upon finding out how the world really works. I expressed a
similar reaction in the preface to the book:
“The
univironmental idea had an intense personal impact. In my experiments I had
always considered myself outside the reactions I was observing. Now I was a
crucial, historical part of them. My physicochemical model of the world ran
wild. For more than a week I was in a fatalistic daze as I thought, still
somewhat narrowly, but certainly not conventionally: "We are all chemicals
and all our behaviors are chemical reactions." This was a giant, if
somewhat clumsy step outside systems philosophy. In this new way of thinking,
whether we consider ourselves chemicals, systems, microcosms, or just plain
folks ultimately made little difference—all are influenced by both the within
and the without. Behavior was simply the motion of one portion of the universe
with respect to other portions. This simple, yet profound conception was
radically different from anything I had known. The dictionary didn't even have
a word for it. I gradually recovered by savoring the newfound perceptiveness. I
would never look at anything in the same way again.”]
TSW: "We don't need to believe that, with the
advent of consciousness, we can now step outside evolution, go under it, rise
above it, or stop it."
BW:
With sapience, we already *have* stepped outside biological evolution; we go
under it, above it, or stop it whenever we find a new scientific method of
enhancing our survivability and pursuing happiness. A "Scientific
Viewpoint" that ignores that is denying all scientific achievements.
[GB: Again, the only way you could believe that is to remove yourself
and all predecessors from the univironment that produced those achievements. In
a way, that is like the one-year old solipsist who puts a blanket over his
head, making the world go away. In your case, the mental estrangement verges on
that of the religious folks who imagine that they will eventually transcend
their physico-chemical existence as solitary systems containing the sapience
and souls they were promised.]
Next: The Last Chapter
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2 comments:
GB considers matter to be real but motion only a process. That is understandable but the evidence is extremely high that oscillations in space, or the field (quantum), all the same thing are what produce matter in the field.The field is oscillation and is matter. So, in this sense motion makes matter. Look at the current theory for mass production as an example.
B
Bligh:
Once again, you are objectifying motion, which is a no-no in neomechanics. That was Einstein’s most important philosophical error. The universe consists of matter in motion. Matter exists and has xyz dimensions and motion occurs and has neither existence nor dimensions. Motion is what matter does. Note that we never would say that motion “only” occurs, for motion is essential to the existence of matter per the Fourth Assumption of Science, inseparability (Just as there is no motion without matter, so there is no matter without motion).
What you are suggesting is tantamount to creation, which is the indeterministic opposite of the Fifth Assumption of Science, conservation (Matter and the motion of matter can be neither created nor destroyed). You apparently are accepting Einstein’s aether denial and claims that magnetic and gravitational fields are “immaterial.”
You say that: “The field is oscillation and is matter. So, in this sense motion makes matter.” Although this is an improvement on Einstein, it is still not true that motion “makes matter.” All that can happen is the transformation of one kind of matter in motion into another kind of matter in motion per conservation. Sorry, but “the current theory for mass production” is incorrect, as I have explained before. Much of what you are trying to accomplish was done previously in our paper on the physical cause of gravity. Ordinary matter is the result of the complexification of aether-1 particles, which are, in turn, the result of the complexification of aether-2 particles, ad infinitum. Although our theory is highly speculative, we prefer it to the indeterministic, more regressive idea that matter could form from matterless motion. Note that Einstein’s popularity among indeterminists was partly due to his promotion of matterless motion. This appears to be necessary for religious fabrications that use the Myth of Exceptionalism to claim that humans have souls. Most, however, do not regard souls as material entities having xyz dimensions, but rather as matterless motion that leaves the body after death, traveling thenceforth to an imagined heaven or hell.
References
Borchardt, Glenn, 2011, Einstein's most important philosophical error, in Proceedings of the Natural Philosophy Alliance, 18th Conference of the NPA, 6-9 July, 2011 (http://www.worldsci.org/pdf/abstracts/abstracts_5991.pdf ), College Park, MD, Natural Philosophy Alliance, Mt. Airy, MD, p. 64-68.
Borchardt, Glenn, 2009, The physical meaning of E=mc2 (http://scientificphilosophy.com/Downloads/The%20Physical%20Meaning%20of%20E=mc2.pdf ): Proceedings of the Natural Philosophy Alliance, v. 6, no. 1, p. 27-31.
Borchardt, Glenn, and Puetz, Stephen J., 2012, Neomechanical gravitation theory (http://www.worldsci.org/pdf/abstracts/abstracts_6529.pdf ), in Volk, G., Proceedings of the Natural Philosophy Alliance, 19th Conference of the NPA, 25-28 July: Albuquerque, NM, Natural Philosophy Alliance, Mt. Airy, MD, v. 9, p. 53-58.
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