Bill adheres to his assumption of finity as he boosts systems philosophy in his review of
Chapter 4 on the “Theory of the Univironment.”
I am ever so grateful to Bill Westmiller, whose comments
are marked "BW: ". The quotes marked TSW are from
"The Scientific Worldview" and my comments are marked "[GB:
".
TSW: Bohm
(again!): "The inner character of a thing and its relationships to external
causal factors are united in the sense that the two together are what define
the causal laws satisfied by that thing."
BW: I'm not sure what it means to "satisfy"
causal laws. Perhaps he's just saying that everything is an effect caused by
other things. Even if that is true, it doesn't require a differentiation
between internal and external causal factors, much less an equality between
them. The essential characteristics of a material (Borchardt) "thing"
may change, or they may not, as a consequence of
internally or externally applied events. It is true that every event causes
*some* change, and that interactions among objects are common, but that doesn't
alter the validity of the label we have given to identify that distinct
material thing.
[GB: In other words, Bohm is
the precursor to my claim that the universal mechanism of evolution is
univironmental determinism, the observation that what happens to a portion of
the universe is determined by the infinite matter in motion within and without.
As an indeterminist, you are not required to differentiate “between internal
and external causal factors,” and you certainly do not have to believe that
there is “an equality between them.” That is a job for univironmental
determinists.]
TSW: Santayana:
"Everything that exists by conjunction with other things on its own plane ..."
BW: Specifying "on its own plane" recognizes
the fact that Bohm overlooks: objects are *only* affected by collisions
("conjunctions") that cause an effect. Those objects moving
"within the circle" (environment) of an object are immensely more
likely to modify its characteristics than remote objects. Purely in terms of
probabilities, the odds that *any* interaction will change the fundamental
characteristics of an object are miniscule. Even to modify an incidental
characteristic of an object requires another object with high relative
velocity or mass. The solar wind is not going to change my keyboard
"L" into an "M", nor change it's incidental characteristics
as much as my finger will during the course of this commentary.
[GB: I don’t think that is a
fair criticism of Bohm. Nowhere does he give the implication for “totality” in
the way you have misunderstood it. Causality, as you explained at length,
depends on collisions with the nearest supermicrocosms, not with every supermicrocosm
in the universe at once.]
TSW: "A
microcosm, then, cannot exist by itself, without its macrocosm."
BW: You've taken a conceptual leap, far beyond Bohm or
Santayana. They aren't saying that a thing can't "exist by itself",
only that it is influenced by external encounters. I don't think either of them
are saying that causal events *always have to be occurring* in order for the
object to maintain it's existence. What you seem to be asserting is a form of
"anti-realism" or "immaterialism": that things only exist
by interacting with other things. On the verge of George Berkeley, who might
have said: things only exist in the mind of God.
[GB: Boy, did you get that
mixed up! Also, you seem to have forgotten the Eighth Assumption of Science, infinity (The universe is infinite,
both in the microcosmic and macrocosmic directions). The essence of Infinite
Universe Theory is exactly that. No microcosm could exist for a microsecond
without its macrocosm. The macrocosm of each baryonic microcosm consists of
aether particles needed to hold it together. Not only that, but the macrocosm
is necessary for the transformation of ordinary matter from the aether that
must exist everywhere. I thought we explained this well in our paper on
Neomechanical Gravitation Theory.[1] Aether
deniers surely would never be able to understand or accept that. They really do
think that space is perfectly empty. After all, that fits with their assumption
that the universe is both macrocosmically and microcosmically finite. I am
afraid that the immaterialism is
really all yours, at least with respect to your idea of space.]
TSW: "Systems
philosophers do not intend to ignore only certain distant, minute, or insignificant
portions of the macrocosm; they intend to ignore all of it."
BW: I think I've said before that you're
misrepresenting the philosophy. Advocates, like Bánáthy, recognize that models
are fabrications created only for the purpose of understanding fundamental
natural processes; that their experiments create arbitrary, artificial
boundaries that don't exist in nature; and that the objective is only to
facilitate analysis, confirmation, refutation, or understanding of distinct
processes. It's a "philosophy of scientific investigation", not a
philosophy of the universe.
[GB: Right. And when one
uses that solipsistic philosophy on a small portion of the universe, one gets a
raft of predictable results: perfectly empty space, a finite universe, finite
particles, and a slew of microcosmic mistakes. Unfortunately, if you get accustomed
to that method of investigation, you will develop a “philosophy of the universe.”
It’s called the Big Bang Theory.]
TSW: "... the
concept of the univironment forces us to keep an open mind about whether a particular
macrocosmic factor is likely to be significant."
BW: I don't think any system philosopher would
intentionally ignore any factor that might be significant to the particular
events or effects they're investigating. However, I do see a *lot* of such
evasions in climatology. The solar wind doesn't have much (if any) effect on
tumor cells, but it certainly affects climate.
[GB: Bill, you need to get
real. We tend to see only what we are looking for. Specialists always have a
tendency to automatically emphasize their specialties to the exclusion of all
else. That is why medical doctors often are criticized for their microcosmic
errors, leaving a niche for new-age “holism.” None of this ignorance is
necessarily intentional and a lot of it is unavoidable. Nevertheless, we can do
better. If, in a particular analysis, our specialty is microcosmic, we need to
recognize that factor by calling in a macrocosmic specialist to provide the
correct univironmental balance.]
TSW: "...
whatever the definition of the microcosm, only half of the 'main features'
necessary for its motion are contained within. An equally important half
remains outside its boundaries."
BW: I don't think there's any evidence supporting the
presumption of a 50-50 (micro/macro) split on all effects for all objects. The critical
factor is the relationship between internal energy (mass in motion) and any
external energy (mass in transit) applied to that object. That may be 1-99 or
99-1, depending upon the objects.
[GB: Bill, you missed the
point again. Remember that univironmental determinism is the observation that
what happens to a portion of the universe is determined by the infinite matter
in motion within and without. The absence of something is just as important as
the presence of something. Newton’s law of the universe, the First Law of
Motion, said it all. His imagined object (50%) travels through imagined
absolute space (50%). It’s obvious: The First Law would not work without the
object; it would not work without the space.]
BW: I have a slightly different view of motion, since I
consider rotary motion to be objective (self-referential frame) and
longitudinal motion to be relative (dependent on a selected frame). Most of
what you might label "microcosmic" motion is rotational: it doesn't
depend upon (even if it is created by) external influences. Therefore, nothing
is "necessary" for its motion. This is actually a flaw in Newton's
First Law: an object in rotary motion is not "at rest", nor does it
move "in a straight line". Once an object has rotary motion, that motion
is inertial. The Second Law still applies to the acceleration or retardation of
that rotary motion, but the motion is *not* relative to anything else.
[GB: I believe that I went
over this before when you proposed something similar as being a “state of no
motion.” I pointed out that all microcosms contain submicrocosms that are
continually in motion with respect to each other and the supermicrocosms in
their surroundings. All motion is relative. This has nothing whatsoever to do
with anyone’s “selected frame.” I can see how your indeterminism leads to your
incorrect conclusions. The assumption of finity
implies solidity (“objective” motion), microcosmic overemphasis
(self-referential frame), and the idea that rotary motion “is *not* relative to
anything else.” Part of your mistake involves your inability to handle scale.
Like the quantum mechanists, you tend to attribute unwarranted special
characteristics to the very small. The fact is, that the “straight line”
mentioned in the First Law of Motion does not exist either. Every portion of
the universe moves around other portions. That does not make
Newton’s idealization any less important.]
TSW: "Like
all microcosms, the cell cannot even exist without its surroundings."
BW: It is true that inanimate objects (one kind of
microcosm) can't *come into existence* on their own, since they're composed of
other components of matter. But, once they exist, the composite is persistent
and its motion is preserved by simple inertia. It doesn't *need* any external
influence to continue its existence.
[GB: Sorry, but “simple
inertia” in the absence of a macrocosm does not preserve existence. Here is an
example: A crystal of salt in water totally dissolves under “simple inertia”
when the macrocosm is not amenable for its continued existence. If we want to
preserve the crystal, we have to increase the solution concentrations of its
constituent ions. A “systems philosopher” who ignored the macrocosm, as you
just did, would be shocked to see the demise of his little solitary crystal. The
Second Law of Thermodynamics applies to all microcosms.]
BW: It is also true that animate objects (another kind
of microcosm) require persistent *processes*, which are interactions with
external objects. Absent an external energy source, a cell will die. However, a
dead cell is still a cell, until it decomposes. Many of its physical
characteristics will persist for a long time, even if its primary metabolic
process stops.
[GB: I repeat: The Second
Law of Thermodynamics applies to all microcosms. It is a major mistake to make
exceptions biased by systems philosophy and its tendency to de-emphasize
the macrocosm.]
TSW: "The
word microcosm virtually demands its accompaniment, macrocosm."
BW: As a referential word, yes. Since it's a subjective
term, there must be bigger and smaller things. However, relative to the
universe as a whole (macrocosm), every portion is smaller. There doesn't need
to be something bigger than everything (God or Void). Nor does there *need* to
be anything smaller than a neutrino (or Unimid), even if it is finite.
[GB: Indeterminists have
demonstrated quite well what they need. Solipsism has always fought against
that bigger material something as well as that smaller material something. That
probably is one reason that our recent book on "Universal Cycle Theory:
Neomechanics of the Hierarchically Infinite Universe"[2] has
met such a rousing reception.]
Next: Chapter 5 Neomechanics
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[1]
Borchardt, Glenn, and Puetz, Stephen J. , 2012, Neomechanical gravitation
theory ( http://www.worldsci.org/pdf/abstracts/abstracts_6529.pdf
), in Volk, G., Proceedings of the Natural Philosophy Alliance, 19th
Conference of the NPA, 25-28 July: Albuquerque, NM, Natural Philosophy
Alliance, Mt. Airy, MD, v. 9, p. 53-58.
[2]
Puetz, Stephen J., and Borchardt, Glenn, 2011, Universal cycle theory:
Neomechanics of the hierarchically infinite universe: Denver, Outskirts Press (
www.universalcycletheory.com ),
626 p.
2 comments:
[GB: I don’t think that is a fair criticism of Bohm. Nowhere does he give the implication for “totality” in the way you have misunderstood it. Causality, as you explained at length, depends on collisions with the nearest supermicrocosms, not with every supermicrocosm in the universe at once.]
GB I couldn't go beyond this one without commenting.
Do not oversimplify. As you know although we can not demonstrate or prove it, the assumption in modern physics since Bohm ( to my knowledge) that all is interconnected. So, yes every microcosm is affected by all events in all the infinite universe. Just happens down at infinitely small continuous wave like phenomena. So, yes it does all happen at once.
If I am missing something here please let me know.
Bligh
Bligh:
Egads and shades of BW himself: "every microcosm is affected by all events in all the infinite universe"????
Not possible. Most everything in the universe is billions of light years away. How could stuff happening right now on galaxies 13.8 billion light years away affect us right now? What kind of assumption do you use to come up with that?
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